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Genealogy and Family History

The Hohenstaufen Family

The line Seltzer-Estes-Bates-Fleming-Graham-Keith-Gordon/Seton-Stewart-Beaufort/Plantagenet-Holland-Plantagenet-Capet-Brabant- Hohenstaufen(29)

35 generations back to about 1000 in Germany

Includes: Holy Roman Emperor Frederick I Barbarossa, King Philip II of France, King James I of Scotland, and King Edward I of England


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1 Adela Rose Seltzer b. Nov. 9, 2007
1 Lila Pearl Seltzer b. May 27, 2010

daughters of

2 Robert Richard Hartley Seltzer b. July 29, 1975 md.  Aug. 10, 2002 in Boston, MA Stacey Denenberg b. July 18, 1976

2 Heather Katherine Hartley Seltzer b. August 13, 1977
2 Michael Richard Hartley Seltzer b. June 14, 1980
2 Timothy Richard Hartley Seltzer b. Oct. 5, 1989

children of

3 Richard Warren (8) Seltzer, Jr.  (b. Feb. 23 1946 Clarksville, TN) md. (1) July 28, 1973 Boston, MA Barbara Ann Hartley (1950-2012), md. (2) Sept. 27, 2015 Marilyn Lender (b. Aug. 22, 1945, NY, NY)

Richard = son of

4 Helen Estes b. Jan. 31, 1920 md. June 5, 1944 in Philadelphia, PA Richard Warren Seltzer, Sr. b. June 5, 1923

Helen = daughter of

5 Smith William Estes  ( June 17, 1881 - Dec. 20, 1943) md. in Philadelphia, PA  1905 May Griffith (1883-1930)

Smith = son of

6 Louis Powhatan Estes (Nov. 22, 1849 - Sept. 6, 1902) md. Oct. 30, 1875 Lily Yates Moore (May 13, 1853 - March 8, 1929) (daughter of S.W. Moore and Mary Yates)

Louis = son of

7 Albert Monroe Estes (Nov. 19, 1804 in Bedford County, VA - Dec. 22, 1863 in Haywood County, TN) md. Nov. 17, 1848 Mildred Colman (daughter of Dr. Benjamin Colman and Mildred Wharton of New Jersey) (c. 1823- Nov. 30, 1849)

Albert = son of

8 Sarah Langhorne Bates (1781- 1825 near Brownsville, Haywood County, TN)  md. Oct. 13, 1801 in Chesterfield County, VA Joel Estes (1780-1833) (son of Benjamin Estes and Cecelia Rebecca Thorpe)

Sarah = daughter of

9 Daniel Bates (July 6, 1756 - c. 1801) md. May 21, 1776in Chesterfield County, VA  Elizabeth Cary Bell ( b. about 1758 in Virginia, d. 1825 in Kentucky) daughter of David Bell and Judith Cary

Daniel = son of

10 James Bates (March 7, 1721 - Nov. 9, 1786) md. Nov. 11, 1746 in Goochland County, St. James Wortham parish, VA Winnifred Grymes or Grimes or Hix (b. Jan. 18, 1729 in Goochland)

James = son of

11 Susannah Tarleton Fleming md. about 1709 John Bates (1685-1723)

Susannah = daughter of

12 Charles Fleming (b. 1667) (of New Kent County, VA) md. Susannah Tarleton (d. 1687) (daughter of Stephen Tarleton)

According to "My Ancestors and Relatives": "Colonel Charles was born on December 10th, 1659 in Of Charles Parish, York Co., Va.  Colonel Charles' father was John FLEMMING and his mother was Mrs. Mercy Or Mary FLEMING.  His paternal grandparents were Captain Alexander FLEMING and Elizabeth (Elspet) ANDERSON. He had four brothers and a sister, named William, Alexander, John, Tarleton and Lydia.  He died at the age of 57 on October 7th, 1717 in St. Peter's Parish, New Kent, Va.

"Susanna was born in Of St. Peter's Parish, New Kent, Va.  Susanna's father was Stephen TARLETON and her mother is Susanna. She had a sister named Judith.  She died after October 7th, 1717 in St.peters Parish, New Kent.

"Colonel Charles and Susanna were married in a religious ceremony in New Kent, Virginia.  They had two sons and eight daughters, named Colonel John, Tarleton, Susannah, Elizabeth, Judith, Ursula, Anne, Grace, Anne and Sarah.

Charles = son of

13 John Fleming (b. 1627 Cumbarnauld, Lanarkshire, Scotland d. April 27, 1686 in New Kent County, VA, St. Peter's Parish Register)

Cary-Estes Genealogy p. 86 indicates that according to "Fleming Family" by Lyon G. Tyler, William and MaryQuarterly Vol. 12, 1093, pp. 45-47, "I think he was the father of Charles Fleming who md. Susannah ___.  She was probably a daughter of Stephen Tarleton."  John Fleming, 493 acres in New Kent County on south side of Yorke River 2 march 1661 per page 397 Parent Book No. 4.

According to "My Ancestors and Relatives": "John was born in 1627 in Cumbarnauld, Lanarkshire, Scotland.  John's father was Captain Alexander FLEMING and his mother was Elizabeth (Elspet) ANDERSON.  His paternal grandparents were John FLEMING and Margaret LIVINGSTON; his maternal grandparents are William ANDERSON and MRS. ANDERSON. He had a brother and two sisters, named John, Elizabeth and Alexia.  He died at the age of 59 on April 27th, 1686 in Charles Parish, York Co., Virginia.  His burial was on April 30th, 1686 in St. Peter's Parish, New Kent, Va.

"Mrs. Mercy or Mary was born about 1637 in Of Charles Parish, York Co., Va.  She died in , New Kent, Va.

"John and Mrs. Mercy or Mary were married in a religious ceremony in , , , England.  They had five sons and a daughter, named Colonel Charles, William, Alexander, John, Tarleton and Lydia."

John = son of

14 Alexander Fleming (b. 1612 Cumbernauld, Lanarkshire, Scotland d. Dec. 30, 1668 Rappahannock Co., VA) md. Elizabeth (AKA Elspet) Anderson (b. 1614, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland d. Oct. 6, 1656 Rappahannock Co., VA)

According to "My Ancestors and Relatives": "Captain Alexander was born about 1612 in Cumbernauld, Lanarkshire, Scotland.  Captain Alexander's father was John FLEMING and his mother was Margaret LIVINGSTON.  His paternal grandparents were John 1St Earl Wigton FLEMING and Lillias Lilias GRAHAM; his maternal grandfather was Alexander LIVINGSTON and his maternal grandmother is Eleanor Or Helen HAY. He had two brothers and six sisters, named John, William, Eleanor, Ann, Jean, Lilias, Helen and Margaret.  He died on December 30th, 1668 in , Rappahannock Co., Va.

"Elizabeth (Elspet) was born about 1614 in Of Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland.  Elizabeth (Elspet)'s father is William ANDERSON and her mother is MRS. ANDERSON.  Her paternal grandfather is John ANDERSON.  She was an only child.  She died on October 6th, 1656 in , Rappahannock Co., Va.

"Captain Alexander and Elizabeth (Elspet) were married in a religious ceremony about 1632 in Scotland.  They had two sons and two daughters, named John, John, Elizabeth and Alexia."

Alexander = son of

15 John Fleming (b. Dec. 9, 1589 Kincardine, Perth, Scotland d. May 7 1650 Cumbernauld, Lanarkshire, Scotland) md. Margaret Livingston (b. about 1587 Callendar, Stirlingshire, Scotland d. 1634)  (Her line)

According to "My Ancestors and Relatives": "John was born on December 9th, 1589 in Kincardine, Perth, Scot. and his baptism took place on December 9th, 1589 in Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland.  John's father was John 1St Earl Wigton FLEMING and his mother was Lillias Lilias GRAHAM.  His paternal grandparents were John Fleming EARL and Elizabeth ROSS; his maternal grandfather is John GRAHAM and his maternal grandmother was Jean DRUMMOND. He had four brothers and eight sisters, named James, Alexander, FLEMING, Malcolm, Jean, Jean, Anne, Margaret, Sarah, Lillias, Mary and Rachel.  He died at the age of 60 on May 7th, 1650 in Cumbernauld, Lanarkshire, Scotland.  His burial was in Scotland.

"Margaret was born about 1587 in Of, Callendar, Stirlingshire, Scotland.  Margaret's father was Alexander LIVINGSTON and her mother is Eleanor Or Helen HAY.  Her paternal grandfather was William LIVINGSTONE and her paternal grandmother is Agnes FLEMING. She had three brothers and a sister, named Alexander, John, James and Anna.  She died in  1634.

"John and Margaret were married in a religious ceremony on February 20th, 1609 in Scotland.  They had three sons and six daughters, named John, Captain Alexander, William, Eleanor, Ann, Jean, Lilias, Helen and Margaret.

John = son of

16 Lilias Graham md. Lord John Fleming (1567-1619) 6th Lord Fleming,  first Earl of Wigton in Scotland from 1606 [His line]
"Biggar and the House of Fleming" by William Hunter, F.S.a. Scot. Pages 551-552, 557:
"Lord Fleming married Lady Lilias Graham, a daughter of John, Earl of Montrose.  Her ladyship was distinguished for her piety and devotion and her zealous efforts to prmoote the principles of the Reformation.  Livingstone, in his 'Characterisitcs' says of her, 'When I was a child I have often seen her at my father's at the preachings and communions.  While dressing she read the Bible, and every day at that time shed more tears (said one) than ever I did in my life.'"
"The Earl died in April 1619 leaving three sons and five daughters and was succeeded by his eldes son John who warmly embraced his mother's ecclesiastical opinions and was as zealous of the cause of Presbyterianism as his forefathers had been in the maintenance of Popery.
"He married Margaret, daughter of Alexander Livingstone, first Earl of Linlithgow, a lady of amiable disposition and great piety who entered cordially into the religious views and schemes of her husband.  They not only attended the ministrations of the settled Protestant clergy, but for some time maintained a chaplain of their own family." (page 552)
William and Mary Quarterly, Volume XII (1903) pp. 45-47 by Lyon G. Tyler vies the names of two sons, John and Charles.  "While his second son, Sir Thomas Fleming, is said to have emigrated to the Virginia colony and became the progentiro fhte Virginia branch of the family.  Mr. Brock states ('Richmond Standard,' Feb. 7, 1880) that he married Miss Tarleton and had Tartleton, John and Charles.  Mr. Brock's information it is believed, is derived from family tradition.  There is, nevertheless, no mention as far as I have been able to ascertian in the records of Virginia, of any Sir Thomas Fleming.  The earliest person of the name was John Fleming, who I am inclined to believe was the emigrant". (Lyon G. Tyler)

[Cary-Estes Genealogy pp. 85-87]

Lilias = daughter of

17 John Graham, third Earl of Montrose (1548- Nov. 9, 1608), Chancellor of the University of St. Andrews 1599-1604  md.  Joan Drummond

According to Wikipedia: "John Graham, 3rd Earl of Montrose (1548 – 9 November 1608) was a Scottish peer and Chancellor of the University of St Andrews from 1599 to 1604.
He was a natural great-grandson of King James IV of Scotland, his maternal grandmother, Janet Fleming, being a royal bastard."

According to Cary-Estes Genealogy p. 85: Joan "dau. of David Drummond, Second and Lord, and Lilias Ruthven; son of Walter Drummond; son of William Drummond and Isabel Campbell, dau. of Colin Campbell, Earl of Argyle; son of Sir John Drummond and Eliza Lindsey." [Her line]

John = son of

18 Robert Graham, Master of Montrose (d. Sept. 10, 1547 at Pinkie, Scotland)  md. Margaret Fleming (d. Aug. 15, 1584)  [Her line]

[Cary-Estes p. 85 Robert Graham md. Margaret Fleming, d. 1547

According to thePeerage.com: "Robert Graham, Master of Montrose was the son of William Graham, 2nd Earl of Montrose and Lady Janet Keith. He died on 10 September 1547 at Pinkie, Scotland.  Robert Graham, Master of Montrose was styled as Master of Montrose."

Robert = son of

19  Lady Janet Keith md. William Graham, second Earl of Montrose (1492-1571) [His line]

[Cary-Estes p. 85 Jane Keith md. William Graham, Second Earl of Montrose]

Janet = daughter of

20  Lady Elizabeth or Eliza Gordon md. William Keith 2nd Earl Marischal [Her line]

[Cary-Estes p. 85 Eliza Gordon md. William Keith]

Eliza = daughter of

21 Annabella Stewart (1433-1471) md. George Gordon, Earl of Huntly (before 1455-1501), Chancellor of Scotland (1498-1501) [His line]

[Cary-Estes p. 85 Annabelle md. George Gordon, Earl of Huntly]

Annabella = daughter of

22  Joan Beaufort (1404-1445) md. 1424  King James I of Scotland (Stewart) (1394-1437) [His line]

[Cary-Estes p. 85 Joan Beaufort md. James I, King of Scotland]

Joan = daughter of

23 Margaret Holland (1385-1439)  md.  John Beaufort, first Earl of Someset (1371-1410) (His line)

[Cary-Estes p. 85 Margaret Holland md. John Beaufort, Marquis of Dorsett, Earl of Somerset, Knight of the Garter]

Margaret = daughter of

24 Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent (1350 - April 25, 1397), councillor of his half-brother King Richard II md. Alice FitzAlan , daughter of Richard FitzAlan, 10th Earl of Arundel and Eleanor of Lancaster

[Cary-Estes p. 85 Thomas Holand md. Alice FitzAlan, daughter of Richard, Ninth Earl of Arundel]

Thomas = son of

25 Joan "the Fair Maid of Kent", granddaughter of Edward I of England, wife of Edward the Black Prince and mother of Richard II of England  md. Thomas Holland, 1st Earl Earl of Kent (c. 1314 - Dec. 26, 1360) military commander during the Hundred Years' War [His line]

[Cary-Estes p. 84 Joan of Kent md. Thomas Holand]

Joan = daughter of

26 Edmund of Woodstock, 1st Earl of Kent (Plantagenet)  (Aug. 5, 1301 - March 19, 1330 executed for treason) md. Margaret Wake, (c. 1297 - Sept. 29, 1349) 3rd Baroness Wake, descendant of Llywelyn the Great, Prince of Gwynedd [Her line]

[Cary-Estes p. 84 Edward of Woodstock md. Margaret Wake (d. 1330)]

Edmund = son of

27  Marguerite of France (Capet) (1282 - Feb. 14, 1317) md. King Edward I of England "Longshanks" (June 14, 1229 - July 7, 1307) reigned 1272-1307) [His line]

[Cary-Estes p. 84 Margaret md. Edward I King of England]

Marguerite = daughter of

28 Maria of Brabant (May 13, 1254, Leuven - Jan. 10, 1321, Murel) md. Aug. 21, 1274  King Philip III "the Bold" of France (Capet) (1245-1285), reigned 1270-1285 [His line]  He also married Isabella of Aragon (1247-1271)  and by that marriage had Charles of Valois from whom we are also descended.[Overlaps another line]

[Cary-Estes p. 84 Marie of Brabant md. Philip III King of France]

Maria = daughter of

29 Henry III, Duke of Brabant (c. 1230- Feb. 28, 1261, Leuven) md. Adelaide of Burgundy, daughter of Hugh IV, Duke of Bugundy [Her line]

[Cary-Estes p. 84 Henry III of Brabant]

Henry = son of

30 Marie of Hohenstaufen (April 3, 1201 in Arezzo, Tascany, Italy -1235) md. Henry II, Duke of Brabant (1207 - Feb. 1, 1248, in Leuven) md.  [His line]

[Cary-Estes p. 84 Marie md. Henry II of Brabant]

Marie = daughter of

31 Philip King of Germany and Duke of Swabia (1177 - June 21, 1208)  md. Irene Angelina [Her line]

[Cary-Estes p. 84 Philip, Emperor of Germany]

Philip = son of

32 Frederick I Barbarossa (1122- June 10, 1190, King of Germany 1152 - 1190, King of Pavia 1154 - 1190, and Holy Roman Emperor 1155 - 1190 md. Beatrice I, Countess of Burgundy (1143 - Nov. 15, 1184) [Her line]

[Cary-Estes p. 84 Frederick Barbarossa, King of Germany and Italy, d. 1190]

Frederick = son of

33 Frederick II, Duke of Swabia "the One-Eyed" (of the Hohenstaufen dynasty) (1090 - April 6, 1147)  md. Judith (d. 1130 or 1131), daughter of Henry IX, Duke of Bavaria from the rival House of Welf [Her line]

[Cary-Estes p. 84 Judith d. 1147 md. Frederick (or Frideric) the Second of Suabia (or Swabia)]

Frederick = son of

34 Frederick I Hohenstaufen, Duke of Swabia  (1050 - July 21, 1105) md. Agnes of Germany (1072 - Sept. 24, 1143), daughter of Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor md. Bertha of Savoy  (Sept. 21, 1051 - Dec. 27, 1087 in Mainz) [Her line]

Frederick = son of

35 Frederick von Büren md. Hildegard von Bar-Moussen


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